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Senshi in Training
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Post by elune on Feb 12, 2009 12:00:39 GMT -5
...that Usagi was her mother when they very first met? This is something that's always confused me about the R season. It's so loopy when it comes to how much Chibiusa really knows about her mother's past/Sailor Moon. First of all, when Chibiusa first drops from the sky, she introduces herself as "Tsukino Usagi". And then, when Usagi says, "That's my name!" Chibiusa immediately realizes that Usagi has the Ginzishou. And is therefore her mother, correct? I mean, why else would Usagi have the Ginzishou, right? It's not like Neo-Queen Serenity borrowed it from someone else. So, is this when Chibiusa realizes that Usagi is her mother? And if so, then why isn't she more affectionate towards Usagi? Is it because she doesn't truly see her as her mother, but rather her mother's past self? She seems to almost disdain Usagi at first. Confused.  Also, how could Chibiusa NOT realize that Usagi/her mother is Sailor Moon? She had heard stories about Sailor Moon from her father while growing up...did she not put two-and-two together? Also, I'm new to this board. Hello all.  |
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Post by BTTF Rini on Feb 13, 2009 3:31:49 GMT -5
I believe Rini may have not knew at the time. But then again, based on the info you put out there, she may have realized this. Rini came to the past to get the Ginzishou because the one in the future was lost, or rather, within her. I maybe wrong on this, but Wiseman sure was surprised to see two Ginzishou's at the time he was battling them. I really think that Rini did know.
Now, I think the reason Rini is so mean toawrds Serena, is because she feels she can get away with it, in hopes Serena would eventually forget about it. Then again, she may not feel she needs to listen to a cry baby of a girl, that is her future mother. Rini even questions to herself if Serena is even her future mother, due to the big differences in Serena's behavior in 1990's Tokyo Japan and her future counterpart, Neo Queen Serenity, in Crystal Tokyo (3000 Tokyo Japan).
However, there are a few places where she definately acknowledges the fact she is Serena's future daughter. One instance is where Rini is talking to Pegasus (forgot the episode number) about Darien seeing this other woman. Well, at some point during the convo, she freaks out about this and realizes that if Darien and Serena don't stay together, her existence will be in trouble.
Although, I still can't get why Rini always seems to try to steal Darien from Serena. I honestly think she does this to be mean to Serena again.
BTW: Welcome to the forums!
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Post by Freya on Mar 3, 2009 5:55:44 GMT -5
ChibiUsa isn't stupid, so she definitely knew who her parents were. She just couldn't come out and say, "Hi, I'm your kid from the future!" Unfortunately, she didn't have the greatest childhood, which probably influenced the way she treated Usagi. The thing of acting all lovey with Mamoru, part of it was probably how a lot of little girls see their dads as like their dream men or talk about how they want to marry their dads. It's kinda creepy, but it happens IRL, too, so it's not just her. Also, once she sees how upset it makes Usagi, she does it more just to get a reaction. That's also a normal thing for kids to do, especially attention-starved ones like ChibiUsa was in the future.
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Post by AmyAnn on Mar 5, 2009 14:03:09 GMT -5
Here's how I see it.
Rini had always referred to her mother as "Mama" in the future and everyone else had referred to her as "Neo Queen Serenity", correct?
With that, Rini probably didn't realize her mother's real name and may have just thought that it was a coincidence, hint why she asks Serena has the same hairstyle as her.
She shows less respect for Serena as she sees the younger Serena as more of a sister. She feels that her mother is in the future, not the past [present?] so she only sees her as more of a sister figure and sisters do not get along.
Also, the whole thing about the Sailor Moon stories from Darien, she probably thought that it was just a person that her father had known or heard about before she came into existence.
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Post by BTTF Rini on Mar 6, 2009 1:59:31 GMT -5
I think Amy Ann summed it up pretty well.
However, you'd think the idea would have dawned on Rini after seeing Serena. You'd think she'd notice the remarkable similarity in looks compared to her mother, whom she refers to as "Mama" (whom we know as Neo Queen Serenity), and Serena in the present.
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Post by AmyAnn on Mar 6, 2009 17:01:12 GMT -5
Does anyone else in her family notice this similarity? It's probably just one of those things. Also, as I said before, she sees her mother as being in the future, not in the present. Being so young, this would have stuck in her head therefore she wouldn't have really noticed fully. Or else she did and just didn't want to think that way.
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Post by BTTF Rini on Mar 7, 2009 1:49:26 GMT -5
Or else she did and just didn't want to think that way. Actually, that may be true too. In one episode, Rini seemed to have doubts about Serena being her mother in thr future, due to the drastically different behaviors between Future Serena (Neo Queen Serenity) and Present Day Serena. I believe she said something along the lines that she may have been adopted. So, she may not, at the time, wanted to accept Serena as her mother, due to the differences in behaviors. However, Serena did exercise her motherly duties on Rini a few times in the present.  |
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Post by AmyAnn on Mar 7, 2009 18:58:59 GMT -5
Exactly, the behaviour difference could have drove her away from the idea that Serena was her mother. However, upon realising that Serena was Sailor Moon it may have made her think that the stories from her father were true and then she may have made the link between her and her mother. It's a long shot, but it makes sense if you think about it.
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Post by Chibi Jennifer on Apr 25, 2009 17:35:00 GMT -5
Interesting points you guys have brought up |
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Post by haruka173 on Apr 28, 2009 9:01:17 GMT -5
Hi Chibi Jennifer! Welcome to the boards!  Thanks for putting this up! I used to obsess over this quite a bit. After all, in the R season, I noticed her behaviour was inconsistent - there were moments when she seemed to genuinely didn't know Usagi was her mum, while there were also a lot of moments when the viewer would be thinking, "I'm POSITIVE she's just trying to piss her mum off ... there's no way she would've done it otherwise!" ...But then S came along and so did my beloved Uranus+Neptune, so yeah I forgot all about this one. dXDDDDDDDDb |
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Post by blueknight on Apr 28, 2009 9:24:45 GMT -5
If memory serves me right (and many times it doesn't) it did seem like she seemed to know. Of course that could have been natural emotions tied to family or between sisters. I can see both arguments with this one.
People do change when they grow up so it can be safely assumed that Usagi as neo-queen serenity is a different person from when she was fourteen. I've seen hints that may say she hasn't changed at all. So if Chibiusa did not recognize Usagi as her mother it might just be because she is too used to the way her mother acts to recognize any similarity (if that makes sense).
When Chibiusa was being told the stories of Sailor Moon weren't they just considered urban legends?
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Post by BTTF Rini on Apr 29, 2009 0:58:18 GMT -5
Although this situation happens in the Super S season, this one makes some logical sense.
It's been a long time since I saw it, but there was this episode where I believe Serena and Darien have a small fight. There was also this other woman in the picture. Rini thought about this a lot and talked to Pegasus about the situation. At one point, she gets the thought of Serena and Darien not getting back together, and she says something about not being born if things stayed that way.
Correct me, anyone, if I was wrong in explaining that little situation.
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Post by haruka173 on Apr 29, 2009 9:31:28 GMT -5
Although this situation happens in the Super S season, this one makes some logical sense. It's been a long time since I saw it, but there was this episode where I believe Serena and Darien have a small fight. There was also this other woman in the picture. Rini thought about this a lot and talked to Pegasus about the situation. At one point, she gets the thought of Serena and Darien not getting back together, and she says something about not being born if things stayed that way. Correct me, anyone, if I was wrong in explaining that little situation. I'd like to point out that the situation you've just described is set in Super S. I believe Chibiusa was already 2 grade levels higher and about the equivalent of an 11 year old in the Japanese school system. If you'll notice, her body was even starting to fill out at this stage! At this point in time, there is no doubt that she already knows Usagi is the younger version of the woman she knows as her mum. I believe that what is being asked here is if Chibiusa had that same awareness, if not full flat-out knowledge, of that fact back in the R season, when she'd just met Usagi. If you'll remember, in the R season she looked, spoke, thought and behaved like someone younger than 10 years of age. To refresh your memory: Spot the difference? ;P (And no, it's not just because the artists for both still shots are different and the artwork is inconsistent per still!) |
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Post by blueknight on Apr 30, 2009 3:30:56 GMT -5
In my opinion she might not have fully known in R but maybe deep down inside she had a feeling that she was related to Usagi. In the S and SuperS episodes she definately knew. After all, if I remember right, Chibiusa was sent back to train with the other senshi.
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Post by BTTF Rini on May 1, 2009 0:35:52 GMT -5
To haruka173: I am aware of that being in Super S. I know we are talking about R Season Rini. I wanted to point out that at some point she does find out at some point, if not in the R Season, then in Super or Super S.
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