Is ChibiUsa stronger than Usagi?

[Bleu Eyed Brunette]

This is something I've been thinking about. ChibiUsa obtained senshi powers at a much younger age than Usagi. I wonder if this is just because of the timing (such as when Luna was able to find Usagi). If Beryl had resurrected 7 years earlier, would Usagi have been able to transform into Sailormoon as a 7 year old? What if it was 10 years earlier? Would she have been able to as a 4 year old? Lol that's pretty darn young. I usually write off the timing of Beryl's resurrection as one of those anime plot cliche's, but if I really think about it, if Beryl had resurrected even 7 years before she did it would have been a lot easier for her to have won. Speaking of that, how was Beryl able to break free of the seal? I'm sure it was mentioned in the series but I can't remember.

Anyway, ChibiUsa was able to upgrade to her super senshi form even though she was still a child, so that makes me wonder how strong she would be if she was Usagi's age, or if her power would just stay at the same level regardless of age (since that one episode did have them switch ages.) And in the manga she's technically over 900... ugh well anyone have any comments? lol.

[BTTF Rini]

Your questions never get old, BEB.

Powerwise, I think Serena does have more power than Rini. Sure, Rini did obtain Senshi powers earlier than Serena did. One way to think about it, Rini may gain more power in the long run, as she obtained Senshi powers earlier than Serena. But, it can also go the other way. Rini may never get to be more powerful than Serena, as her powers may always be at a set level.

However, I do think that Rini could become more powerful than Serena one day. Technically, whenever Sailor Moon uses Moon Goregous Meditation, Sailor Mini Moon always needs to call Pegasus in order for Sailor Moon to finish off the monster. So maybe, that is a sign that Rini may become stronger than Serena. Besides, the offspring usually are supposed to become stronger than the parent. At least, that's how some say it.

[Sailor Cybertron]

Haha, I agree. You always think of some of the best questions.

I don't think Chibiusa's more powerful than Usagi... at least not for right now. Why? Four words: Pink Sugar Heart Attack.

She may become more powerful in the future though. After all, she's the first child with both moon and earth heritage in her. In Dragonball Z the children who are only half-Saiyajin become more powerul than full-blooded Saiyajins, so maybe the same could be said about children like Chibiusa? King Endymion said was still a lot they didn't know about her, like why she was aging so slowly. Maybe the Silver Crystal in the future reacted to her dormant power and that's what caused it to seal itself inside her body.

[serefan]

Yes, this is definitely an interesting question. I think the answer differs between anime and manga though.

If Beryl had resurrected 7 years earlier, would Usagi have been able to transform into Sailormoon as a 7 year old? What if it was 10 years earlier? Would she have been able to as a 4 year old?

Well I think that question goes better for Metallia's resurrection instead of Beryl's. In the manga Beryl was just reincarnated after Sailor Venus killed her on the Moon Kingdom, and the four generals were reincarnated too. Queen Serenity did seal Metallia in both versions, and in the manga reincarnated-Beryl just comes across Metallia again, like she did in her past life, while she was investigating the North Pole in her present life, and awakened Metallia. I don't think Beryl finding and awakening Metallia earlier would have made a difference in the manga, though, since they needed the Silver Crystal to truly resurrect her, and in the manga the Crystal was inside Usagi... so to do anything they would have had forcefully to wait until Sailor Moon appeared or Usagi inadvertently gave some sort of sign as to her real identity, attracting their attention to herself... Would she have been able to transform then? I think she would have, because of what we learn through Chibiusa's own case:

In the Black Moon arc we learned as you said that she's been stuck in the body of a child and powerless for 900 years, and all the senshi and King Endymion act as if that isn't normal, may be not even in Crystal Tokyo where people have long life-spans, something I think is a pretty good clue on the whole subject. The first thing Luna suggests after Sailor Moon is kidnapped, is that Chibiusa, as her daughter, should be able to use the Silver Crystal to rescue Moon, Mars, Jupiter and Mercury from planet Nemesis... And why suggest this, if this isn't an ability to be expected of a moon princess, to take over and use the Crystal in the absence of her mother, if an emergency required it? Which would mean, if this is an ability that Luna expected of a moon princess, and the one moon princess Luna was familiar with, that we know of, is Princess Serenity, then this means Princess Serenity must have been able to do the same... as in, take over in case of an emergency and in her mother's, Queen Serenity's absence.

On the other hand, King Endymion argues that Chibiusa can't do it, because she's already 900 years old and still has no power and hasn't been able to transform. When Chibiusa's real age is revealed they are shocked and worried for how Chibiusa's being without power may affect the kingdom's future. May be this means that, though people had long life spans in both the Moon Kingdom and Crystal Tokyo, they still reached adulthood at the same pace as humans, and/or a princess of the moon was supposed to have shown some of her powers already by that time, even if her mother was still alive. Otherwise, why would they be so shocked and worried about Chibiusa not having done so, while Neo Queen Serenity was alive?

Therefore, I think this means that, even though Princess Serenity/Usagi didn't transform to a senshi till Queen Serenity was dead and she was fourteen tears old after reincarnated, she must have had the ability to do so a lot before that... otherwise, Chibiusa's dilemma wouldn't have been treated as such a huge issue as it was treated, would it?

In other words: I'm pretty positive this means Princess Serenity did have some powers on the Moon Kingdom, and she may have been able to transform if she truly wanted/needed because, unlike Chibiusa, she did have powers. The only difference was Princess Serenity wasn't expected to need to transform to a sailor senshi, because unlike Chibiusa she had her four guardians to protect her from a very young age, and the Moon Kingdom was supposed to be such a peaceful place, and then when she was reincarnated her memories and powers were sealed for her own protection (Luna does say something of the sort, if I recall correctly).

Chibiusa's only real advantage was that in the manga she didn't need to be given a brooch to be able to transform, since by the time she was born her parents and the sailor senshi of the Solar System were already aware of the existence of their Sailor Crystals and how to use them to transform, something they apparently didn't know about when they were first awakened after reincarnated.

So I also agree that Chibiusa becoming a senshi at a much younger age than Usagi wouldn't mean much. On the contrary, in the manga Chibimoon is always feeling inferior to Neo Queen Serenity, and then to Sailor Moon, as far the Dream arc (the manga version of SuperS). I do admit in the future things could change as she gw older, though.

I don't think Chibiusa's more powerful than Usagi... at least not for right now. Why? Four words: Pink Sugar Heart Attack.

I do agree Sailor Moon is stronger in both anime and manga, but Chibimoon's Pink Sugar Heart attack in the manga does do a bit more damage, LOL.

Technically, whenever Sailor Moon uses Moon Goregous Meditation, Sailor Mini Moon always needs to call Pegasus in order for Sailor Moon to finish off the monster. So maybe, that is a sign that Rini may become stronger than Serena.

Well, I used to think something along those lines too, but then realized Chibimoon never does use the Golden Crystal on her own: Sailor Moon is always with her. May be Chibimoon can't use the Golden Crystal on her own either. Who knows?

My conclusion: if Saior Moon got upgrades evry time the other senshi and Tuxedo lent her power, may be Chibimoon would get stronger if she got more people to lend her power, or an item that gave them more power than her mother ever had... However, if it were the case that Sailor Cosmos was truly Usagi's final form, then that would be somewhat improbable... because who can be stronger than the senshi that has the power of the entire cosmos?

What do you guys think?

[ladylilith]

Well, a long post. XD But I'll try to be synthetic as much as I can.

Sailor Cosmos is not Usagi, at least, not the Usagi we knew... Let her alone...XD I think she's totally different from the Neo Queen Serenity of the future. Maybe another reincarnation! She's the final form of Sailor Moon, not the final form of Usagi.

As for Chibiusa, well, maybe she is not more or less powerful...she will develope eventually her powers, in the anime she'll probably be just different from her mother; in the manga she has another fate, and another crystal to "follow". She has the Pink Crystal (wow! XD) and not the Silver Crystal. So technically, she is not powerful as her mother, because someone said (I don't remember when) that the Silver Crystal is, together with the Golden one, the most powerful in the galaxy. BUt then again, who knows the real powers of a newborn crystal? XD We can just guess...never know for sure!

[covetouscreature]

I think that Rini is able to transform that young (and in the manga she really isn't 'young' when you think about it) because Usagi is there to help her become strong enough to awaken her dormant power and transform. Plus, Rini went through a traumatic event (with Pluto dying ) just like Usagi did ( with Mamoru being kidnapped) but at a much younger age which also could have triggered the power in her.

There is also the fact in the SuperS arc that Moon needs Mini moon to help her defeat the enemies. This could show that both of them are equal in their power, or just that the SuperS arc focuses on Chibiusa and therefore, she needs to take a larger role in destorying the enemies.

Plus, in the Stars arc, Naoko makes it clear the Usagi is the most powerful senshi in the galaxy (however that doesn't mean that Chibiusa could surpass that some day I suppose).

So my opinion on the whole matter is, is that currently, Chibiusa is weaker then Usagi, but one day (possibly when Usagi is gone) will be a much stronger senshi then Usagi due to her earth/moon blood, and being awakened at a much earlier age.

[flamesniper]

Maybe it can be.After all, she is mother's daughter However much Usagi is crybaby but she has a lot of power.Especially her heart very powerful and emotional.Maybe that's why Mamoru loved her.But Chibiusa is very clever, in my opinion and also i hate her -_- Besides this was Usagi's fate.How could she know that she will be a super warrior in the future?

[Bleu Eyed Brunette]

serefan I'm convinced we need to archive all your posts and make a huge essay out of them. ;D I always love your answers. currently I still haven't read the stars manga, but I do have a copy of it sitting on my hard drive at least. I think I'll have to read through it first before I can really understand some of what you're saying with the Sailor Crystals and all that, but it was a great post to get me thinking again about everything.

Ah man, I'm gonna have a bunch of other random stuff to ask later on I bet. lol.

[AmyAnn]

The way I see it is that Usagi may well have been able to become stronger depending on time. It just so happened that Metallia was reawakened at that time making Luna desperate on finding Sailor Moon. An example is Sailor V. Despite being younger than when she is in the official "Sailor Moon" series, she was able to transform and use attacks well before then and is one of the most powerful senshi.

As for ChibiUsa, I think it may be possible that she is stronger than Usagi, but not at this point in time. Being a senshi at such a young age will give her time to get to grips with her powers and learn to upgrade them and work with them to make them better. Also, with her knowledge on battling, it'll contribute to much later. This contrasts with Usagi having to start fighting and getting used to her powers at a much later age than ChibiUsa had to and, as we see, she is still getting used to many of her powers.

[elune]

I believe it's definetely possible for Chibiusa to grow just AS strong as Sailormoon does, but not stronger. But it's tough to say, because Chibiusa also has the power of the Earth within her, not simply the Moon. I wish this had been more focused on. They made her senshi form a carbon-copy of Sailormoon's, without even bringing up the fact that Chibiusa is a product of both the Moon AND the Earth.

I wish that Takeuchi had done a second series focusing on Chibiusa. But of course, most people hate her, so...maybe she knew it wouldn't have done too well.

[BTTF Rini]

Actually elune, you bring up a good point. I totally think they could have done more with Rini/Sailor Mini Moon. I mean not just in Super S.

Heck, most of my fanfics center more around Rini/Sailor Mini Moon than any other Senshi. I'm probably one of the few people on this board that love Rini. Rini forever!

[ladylilith]

In the manga, Chibiusa is the holder of a totally different power than Usagi. She has the Pink Crystal (well, don't laugh if that's its name ) instead of the Silver Crystal. She actually should have different powers too. I wonder why Silver and Golden crystals pruduce a Pink crystal, but then of course, I'm sure someone smarter than me will find an explanation about that!! ;D Ahah!