Were Phobos and Deimos ever on the Moon Kingdom?

[serefan]

This is the new manga question that's been nagging my mind for a while: Were Phobos and Deimos the guardians and companions of Sailor Mars since the Moon Kingdom, or appointed to that task after it actually? Like just as Mars was reborn as Rei in the 20th century, for example?

In the Stars arc, they come across Sailor Lead Crow, who says she met Phobos and Deimos before they became Sailor Mars' partners, and as a result some people think Sailor Lead Crow has been alive since the Moon Kingdom too... But, considering in the manga version the Moon Kingdom didn't exist 1000 years ago, but was pre-historic, isn't that a bit long for a simple Sailor Animamate to be alive, even with Sailor Coronis's stolen crystal? This whole concept brings a hilarious image to my mind about Sailor Galaxia sitting on her throne in complete boredom, with Lead Crow at her side, looking at Earth from a crystal ball while waiting for Princess Serenity to be reincarnated:

Galaxia (tapping her foot impatiently while watching Usagi's parents going on their first date): "...Come ON!!! I've already conquered half of the galaxy!?? ...Have sex already so your kid can be born and destroy Chaos so I can kick her arse afterwards and become ruler everything?? So have sex ALREADY!!!!!"

Lead Crow: "Er... actually, they're just Sailor Moon's great great great grandparents. Earth's now going through the XV century..we still have 500 years to wait"

Galaxia (pulling her hair out in frustration): "ARGHH!!! Da n you, Sailor Moooooon!!!!!!!"

[michael]

The whole Stars thing is a gigantic retcon.... it completely dismantles the Moon Kingdom back story, along with everything that was important about the Sailor Senshi and what they meant to us. (Did I ever tell you I hate the Stars arc? Sorry if you feel I go on about it too much.)

The cats are also said to be from a different planet in Stars, even though we know they were there in the Moon Kingdom. I can't see any way to reconcile the two; they're from different continuities. And the pre-Stars continuity is the only one I care about.

[Jami]

We have no idea how long it took Galaxia to take over most of the galaxy, for all we know the whole thing could have started back during the moon kingdom just on the other side of the galaxy.

We also don't know how long a Sailor Soldier is able to live, just that they can be reborn again and again. Lead Crow could have obtained eternal youth from Galaxia's bracelets for all we know.

As far as the cats being from another planet -- They could have left their own planet at any time and traveled to the Earth Moon.

[Princess Cosmos]

out of curiosity wouldn't that mean that the cats and Tin Nyanko are all from the same planet?

[serefan]

According to the manga, Tin Nyanko and Luna and Artemis *are* from the same planet, planet Mau, protected by Sailor Mau till Galaxia and her Animamates came and destroyed it.

I just keep wondering, if Phobos and Deimos knew Rei from her past life, how come they only introduced themselves to her in the Dream arc, when they have been with her in their crow forms from the start... It just doesn't make sense to me why they would wait so long if they already knew Mars on the Moon Kingdom, but you're right... who knows?

So what do you think Phobos and Deimos are? Many sites mistakenly list them as sailor soldiers, but they aren't. However, Lead Crow does say something like they were all soldiers in training together, so I have to wonder what that means, exactly.

[Sailor Cybertron]

Just because they're soldiers doesn't have to mean they're necessarily SAILOR soldiers. Look at Tuxedo Mask -- he's a soldier, but since he isn't a chick, he's not a sailor soldier.

There could be different ranks of soldiers. I think Phobos and Deimos were meant to be personal guardians like the cats. Who knows, they probably could've had training too. Guardians could be classified as a soldier, because all of the guardian animals did do their fair share of fighting or defense. (It's been a while since I read the manga, so my details are a bit fuzzy...)

[serefan]

Yes, it could very well be that and actually I think that's a good possibility. Probably Lead Crow was envious of Phobos and Deimos because being a sailor soldier's partner or guardian is an honor just like being a sailor soldier is.

However what throws me off a bit is how Phobos and Deimos are actually named after celestial bodies, the two moons of Mars, unlike Luna and Artemis.

Besides, Lead Crow actually takes the trouble of stealing their star seeds, while Tin Nyanko just injures Luna and Artemis. Even though Kakyuu said Luna, Artemis and Diana had start seeds with power akin to the saior crystals, neither Tin Nyanko nor Sailor Lethe (who later on kills them in front of Usagi, illusion or not) were shown stealing their star seeds like Lead Crow stole Phobos and Deimos'...

May be I am looking too deep into it, especially considering we will never know for sure, but I like to know other people's opinion on this: if you were to read a fic where Phobos and Deimos "evolve" to sailor soldiers, what would you think? (And yes, while at it, DO try not to think about PGSM Sailor Luna... )

[michael]

Why on earth would I not want to think about Sailor Luna?

[Sailor Cybertron]

Sept 23, 2008 14:09:07 GMT -5 serefan said:

May be I am looking too deep into it, especially considering we will never know for sure, but I like to know other people's opinion on this: if you were to read a fic where Phobos and Deimos "evolve" to sailor soldiers, what would you think?

It's fun to think deeply about these kinds of things! It opens up some very interesting loopholes for fandom discussion and possible fanfic plots.

Speaking of that, I would love to read a fic like that. That's a unique idea and I think it could make for a nifty story.

[serefan]

Why on earth would I not want to think about Sailor Luna?

Sailor Luna's cute, but her mere existence confuses the heck out of me... I know sailor crystals are not even mentioned in PGSM, but the sailor senshi are *still* very obviously named after planets. So what planet is Sailor Luna named after? Not the moon, because there's Sailor Moon. And if she's the senshi from planet Mau or other, what is she doing so far away from her planet, why is she in our Solar System instead of watching over her own planet? Unless she's like Sailor Kakyuu, whose senshi name was different from that of her planet, Kinmoku... Sailor Kakyuu's exceptional name also confuses the heck out of me too.

That's a unique idea and I think it could make for a nifty story.

I think so too. The possibilities are endless. The author could justify it by saying Phobos and Deimos completed their training and awakened as sailor soldiers. It shouldn't matter if they weren't born on Phobos and Deimos but actually were from Koronis: Neherenia told Queen Serenity herself that they were the same because they both had come from far across the galaxy, hinting that may be Queen Serenity wasn't originally from the moon.

Besides, they'd really look cute as sailor senshi. ;D